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Still angry, and now I'm focusing it HERE.
My mom loves to forward me stuff. Heh, I doubt she expected me to reply to her forward with a GRR of how I felt about it. ^^;

What a stupid spin on the Canadian system. I love how one example of a family that has found some money is able to supercede their system to get care means that the Canadian medical situation is evil for forcing them to go to the US.

Imagine how many people DON'T have the money to get the medical attention they require. They wouldn't go to the doctor at all in the US. But in Canada, even though they have to wait their turn, at least finally get one. How many poor people in the US have to suffer because they have no insurance, no money, and no government that gives a damn?

In this country, it's all about the upper and middle class. They get whatever they desire because they can afford it. Yes, it sure would be EVIL if we were to adopt a system that tries to help those that don't drive a Mercedes.

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schneeble From: schneeble Date: March 5th, 2008 02:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't know, it seems pretty sketchy to outlaw private practice. One of the problems many people have with the idea is in how the system would be implemented.

Of course, the other problem is the basic underlying principle. Many Americans and their representatives still hold on to the belief that it isn't the (federal) government's job to "give a damn." That is a point on which reasonable people are free to disagree, but it also helps to explain why we don't have more socialized medicine than we already do.
ifritah From: ifritah Date: March 5th, 2008 06:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, I'm not huge into the "Outlaw private practice!" I'm huge into everyone getting treatment, no matter the size of their pocket books. I'd love to find a happy medium!

Many Americans and their representatives still hold on to the belief that it isn't the (federal) government's job to "give a damn."

*Nod* You're right. And that makes me a sad panda. Because who else is going to have enough power to create that kind of change? While the government thinks really hard about whether gay people are human enough to be allowed to marry there are millions of Americans that can't afford to go to the doctor.
betacandy From: betacandy Date: March 7th, 2008 06:57 am (UTC) (Link)
We need a LOT of reform to our system. Everyone needs covered, but we also need to force insurance companies to cover more PREVENTATIVE stuff instead of denying treatment until it's too late, then denying it because it's too late, and saying, "Wow, thanks for the all the premiums you paid over the years! Totally redoing our yachts with that this weekend!"

I thought this nation was all about people having jobs and the "right to work". How can they work if they're not healthy? Making sure they are is in the state's best interest.
From: scarlettslegacy Date: March 5th, 2008 03:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've been told our and Canadian systems are very similar (we seem to always be at similar points of evolving, politically and economically) so in leui of a Canadian, I'll give you our system:

We do have govt-sponsored health care, and yes, the waiting lines are ridiculously long. I've heard as long as two years for 'elective' surgeries like hip replacements. (Yeah, never mind that person was in agonising pain for two years because a hip replacement doesn't rank up there as 'life preserving' like a heart transplant. Ever heart of quality of life, not just quantity, dude?)

Having said that we also have private cover. It's kind of a screwe up system because the govt created a 'gap' a while ago that, by law, cannot be overed. I mean, if people are willing to pay the premiums, by why pay extra and not pay a dime? And I think ultimately the systems of govt sponsored health care and private insurance have to work and live together in peace, because I think people who are so poor they can't afford anything but state health should get decent health care, and people who are willing to pay out should have that option, too.

Of course, secret socialist that I am, I would love a society where the govt recognised that health (along with education) for the masses was mega-important and MRIs and brain surgeries are top priorities... but now I'm starting to think like one of the four races from Stargate :p

I'll be quiet now.
ifritah From: ifritah Date: March 5th, 2008 07:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
because I think people who are so poor they can't afford anything but state health should get decent health care, and people who are willing to pay out should have that option, too.

Oh, I feel the same way. But there is nothing that pisses me off faster than "the right of priviledge" that people with money seem to have.

Perhaps it just hits too close to home. The only type of doctor I can go to is a nurse practitioner because Central District Health has a donation system. But my knee that has been killing me for years? I've just dealt with it, waiting for the time when I both have the insurance and the money to cover the premiums.

I just don't want another system like American lawyers. The wealthy can hire whomever they please to represent them. The poor are forced to take what's thrown at them. And they don't give a flying fuck about your case. (And I know that first hand, as well. *Gives her past appointed lawyer the finger.*)

So, yeah... Maybe I want a sci-fi world as well. One where everyone is given the care they need, and the priorities of patients makes sense.
rowdyman From: rowdyman Date: March 5th, 2008 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't know; I see both sides of the coin. The free market stimulates advances in health care through competition. But I also see that those advances need to be appropriately disseminated to the masses. After all “We hold these truths to be self evident… … “. But then again I don’t feel that I should have to wait to see a care provider. I can make a call on Monday and if my provider (who is Nurse Practitioner) is open I can go see her that day, I’ve never had to wait more than a few days for care. Further more the elimination of private practice causes overall patient care to suffer. Some providers actually have a good bedside manner, and there is an old adage of “treat the patient; not the problem”. You rarely find the attention to detail and level of concern from standardized health care providers.
As far as emergency medicine is concerned; if you pick up the phone and call 911 you get an ambulance. That EMS unit will transport you to a hospital (in my case any one you ask for). I have been required to ask for insurance information, but morally and legally it does not affect my level of care nor my decision to treat or transport. My agency has had to eat the cost of several billable calls because the patient wasn’t insured, but we still provided the service. I’ve also heard of County Paramedics transporting frequent repeat patients (frequent flyers) to a designated health care facility because it was close to where the patient did their shopping for the week. Others call on a cold night looking to be sent to the hospital for three hots and cot (three hot meals and a place to sleep). That type of abuse of the system takes a front line unit out of service and unable to respond to an actual emergency. So with EMS (at least in this area) it is free to those that can’t afford it and there are no lines.
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